I got both of these surgeries in order to be a seal, and would fucking hate if the reason I can't get in are the very surgeries I got in order to qualify for training. I genuinely had not considered that the way I'm acting could be considered morally suspect, or aggravating to the recruiter. Idk if the policy is 1 or 3 years, Ive encountered both. Option 1: Being truthful and working a waiver that is doable. What's the deal? All Rights Reserved. Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts. A forum to discuss Navy Recruiters, processing at MEPS, Delayed Entry Program, Enlisted Ratings, "A" Schools, Officer Candidate School, Recruit Training Command, and transferring to your first command. Adhd is no big deal, however if it's serious I would lie. Texted him asking if he got the paperwork and he said he did (at this point I knew a commander came in and talk to the two and now I know he is pissed). So you want to start a career founded on integrity by lying? Retired in '02 as a Senior Chief(E-8 for you landlubbers). Option 1: Being truthful and working a waiver that is doable. This is for prior service and new applicants. 2. Tough but that is what it is when they find out. Make it impossible to lie? I plan on waiting the 6 months. What is the worst that can happen? I haven't seriously considered joining a branch since my accident in 2003, but it still crosses my mind from time to time. For both, it's to ensure that only qualified candidates enlist. Do not lie, falsify, or hide information. A young man decided to join the Air Force and contacted a Recruiter. Lost the navigator slot and was made a C130 mechanic. Hello, thank you everyone for this forum, it has been incredibly helpful. Seems ridiculous that I had the surgery over a year ago and this is the only thing stopping me from getting processed in MEPs. A slight delay in schedule will not change your end game. Lying at MEPS about medical or mental health history is a really bad idea with serious consequences, as stated on the Army enlistment contract you sign. Do you think the risk of getting shit bags and future suicides is worth the chance that one of them might be decent? In my experience meps isn't that deep of a medical check and it's fairly disorganized. You will not be able to live the Army values and lead Soldiers in the future. HELP!!!! It was not a mistake for being honest at MEPS, it was a mistake for being dishonest on the paperwork. Further, patients often don't ask what their diagnosis is--the patient is focused on their problems and not the administrivia in a medical record. They'll simply deny him enlistment and move-on. http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=tool+bag&defid=1959463. So what are the lessons from these stories? It seems like the most important mission of the army right now its safety and risk management, and with that in mind, it doesn't seem even remotely worth the risk. 1. 21 years active duty,kept my mouth shut about stuff that just did not need to be amplified. Create an account to follow your favorite communities and start taking part in conversations. He might have been denied, or if he was approved, he would at least have been more prepared to handle the BMT experience. I don't suggest lying, but literally almost everyone I know of has lied about something. Or should I be honest with my recruiter and if I cant get a waiver, lie at MEPS. Sounds about like what I figured. As a reminder, this subreddit is for civil discussion. You were torn and want to be honest. What do you think will they look back on my medical records after finding a heart murmur ? 48.3k Members 151 Online Created Sep 13, 2012 Join Top posts december 6th 2015 Top posts of december, 2015 Top posts 2015 She got counseling for the suicide gesture and related stress, which eventually resolved, and she again received more counseling for anger management a few years later (this was what the BMT medics discovered). Cookie Notice Stuck waiting for MEPS to process my info from Military to Military as well as MEPS to MEPS. Maybe from 2001-2007 or so she could. By accepting all cookies, you agree to our use of cookies to deliver and maintain our services and site, improve the quality of Reddit, personalize Reddit content and advertising, and measure the effectiveness of advertising. 03-10-09, 06:54 PM #10. redsox1804. As long as you werent taking the pills within 90 days it wont pop up so just dont talk about them. She could have been honest about her history and told the Recruiter, who would have told MEPS, who would have requested a waiver, and she would have had a chance at a waiver by doing some additional evaluation. If the answer is YES, congrats shipmates just got injured or even died on your watch. As a result, his history of mental health wasn't assessed by MEPS. The recruiter will come up with the necessary "details" of what happened and will move on to the next recruit. Now they say I need more information such as previous eye prescription, doctors notes, and more. She passed all the exams and was cleared, then went to BMT and performed well. If it had been correctly disclosed, he likely would have required a waiver and additional counseling before joining the Air Force. Do you think that they would have been able to successfully cope with these circumstances following the earlier problems? Lying will. From hunters and military members, to competition shooters and general firearm enthusiasts, we welcome anyone who values and respects the way of the firearm. When you're an officer and in a time-sensitive situation where lives are on the line, do you really think you have time to triple check? This video I react to a video that JTsuits made where a person was kicked out of navy Bootcamp due to them being medically unfit. Some typical things that people lie about at MEPS include: Medical History About 3 years before joining the Air Force, his cousin attempted suicide. Bit of stretch that anybody would have any insight on this subject, but the only thing stopping me from getting accepted for MEPS is my LASIK documentation. Lying at MEPS is punishable by a $10,000 fine and 5 years in prison. LASIK and LASEK are forms of corrective refractive eye surgeries, and both reshape corneas permanently. MEPS, short for Military Entrance Processing, rolled out a new system yesterday called MHS Genesis. I played my "sax" a lot in basic. First, you are the one liable WHEN you get busted lying. Your Recruiter will not be the one getting in troubleit will be you. Do not attempt to interpret the questions your recruiter and MEPS will ask you--answer them as they are written. 27. You are using an out of date browser. (yes pretty much threw him and his boss underneath the bus). I got LASIK a few months ago, I know the minimum time from surgery to MEPs has to be at least 6 months. from USMCboot. Instead, she had abysmal chances for waiver approval because she never got the additional examination needed for a waiver (plus lying isn't helpful to a case), so she was separated despite the recommendation of her MTI. She could have been honest about her history and told the Recruiter, who would have told MEPS. I swear I was born in the wrong generation. And also a expunged ticket and felony charges. Lying at MEPS, HIPAA and security clearances. Looking at your previous 11 posts it looks like you might be joining the Marines. I'm certain they won't be. But Im afraid that they will go back on my medical records and find out I lied . (if I do that then I would have to get all medical records I gave to them). Copyright 1996-2023 AR15.COM LLC. I had lasik about 6 months ago and the recruiter originally told me that all I would need is a letter filled out by the doctor. Press J to jump to the feed. Doctors said I had asthma growing up, my recruiter said don't mention it, he was probably jumping to conclusions. My experience: I told the truth about something that should have been a non-issue. This applies to ANY wildcat actions, including slowdown, work-to-rules, withdrawal of enthusiasm (WOE), sickouts, etc. During the MEPS process, recruits may be tempted to lie about past events. (Navy). He stopped seeing the counselor after only 6 months from beginning counseling and successfully continued his college education. Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts, https://www.reddit.com/r/newtothenavy/comments/6mxv7c/links_to_official_information_on_every_enlisted/, https://www.public.navy.mil/netc/centers/ceneoddive/ndstc/documents/manmed_chap15.pdf. Obviously I will tell them about my felony charge. Same with another section. I lied at meps . (January 6, 2021, subversive for attending the rally - not me, but a friend). Good luck to you. They don't understand how a broken leg or asthma when they were a kid can come back, they don't understand how mental issues are severely exacerbated under stress-- because they think their phone breaking is stress, and they dealt with that just fine. Everyone I know lied about something, he'll if everyone was honest about drug use there wouldn't be a military. Because of his failure to disclose his medical history at MEPS and it's discovery while he was on Medical Hold, he was administratively discharged from the Air Force without completing BMT for Fraudulent Enlistment. May 6, 2020. Delayed my ROTC scholarship for a semester, biggest pain in the ass. Option 2: Lie. Firearm Discussion and Resources from AR-15, AK-47, Handguns and more! Further investigation found she had a suicide gesture about 6 years earlier due to stress from a recently ended relationship, loneliness (had no friends for support), and academic struggles (failing some college courses). The medics at BMT requested and reviewed her civilian medical records to possibly determine the cause and any history of the condition. Because the military does not. It is irrelevant whether the union itself has anything to do with the action. You will receive an email every Friday morning featuring the latest chatter from the hottest topics, breaking news surrounding legislation, as well as exclusive deals only available to ARFCOM email subscribers. The forms tell you that you must disclose it. Lasik and Meps processing Currently trying to fill out a packet for OCS, but my recruiter informed me that meps declined my medical history. I lied at meps . My gramma always told me I had to be able to look at myself in the mirror, and know that if I couldn't-- I wouldn't sleep well at night. After a few more weeks, the doctors determined he did not actually have EIA, but was experiencing panic attacks and anxiety which subconsciously manifested as physical symptoms (a Psychosomatic Disorder). New comments cannot be posted and votes cannot be cast, Questions about joining the Marines? Should I lie and say the scar is from an accident like jumping over a fence that needed stitches? Know how to find the right doctor. Let's all throttle back a bit. Also it is about what job that you are going to do as a Officer. In bootcamp a kid had asthma and almost passed out going through the chicken road and he got kicked out for lying about his asthma, so I would be honest. why worry about it if it becomes a problem deal with it then. He was counseled, evaluated, and treated for EIA. And more people are going to lie now that everyone is getting diagnosed with ADHD because they're not interested in school (and ADHD is a disqualifier). Your Visit to MEPS All enlisted recruits are evaluated at MEPS Your recruiter helps prepare you for MEPS Never got caught. According to evidence presented at his trial, the Jacksonville military veteran was designated in July 2000 by the Department of Veterans Affairs as 100 percent disabled for bilateral blindness. Though my friend told me his exam consisted of a puff eye test, exam for glaucoma screening. So a few days later I went to MEPS but before we went we had to fill more paperwork out. Thanks! They might nowWhy would you pose a question on a public website. MEPS consult will do the corneal mapping, so no, we don't just guess at the diagnosis. She said a recent one had about 30 pages regarding the procedure. I lied at MEPs about multiple things, I don't think it has affected my ability to be a soldier. There are many specific medical conditions that may disqualify you from joining the U.S. Military. After boot camp is MCT where all Marines go regardless of MOS. Know what makes you a poor candidate. 1. It does not belong to any particular service division. So what should I do: should I call him and polk the bear? By accepting all cookies, you agree to our use of cookies to deliver and maintain our services and site, improve the quality of Reddit, personalize Reddit content and advertising, and measure the effectiveness of advertising. Unfortunately, she needed to go to sick call several times for persistent coughing. I didn't want to throw anybody the bus just want the correct paperwork to be done because it would take a google search to find all that medical stuff on me and I would like to work in government, What do I do? Second, I got a ganglion cyst removed last summer. My gramma always told me I had to be able to look at myself in the mirror, and know that if I couldn't-- I wouldn't sleep well at night. Should I lie/not mention LASIK when I finally go to MEPs? Long story short, I broke my nose in December and had surgery to fix the break and take care of some sinus problems. I'm guessing you're done. The suicide counselor for the cousin recognized that our young man was confused and worried from his family's recent crisis. A magnifying glass. It may not display this or other websites correctly. My 90 day period was more like 2 months, because that's when they called me back for a followup, so it wouldn't have made sense (distance traveled and financially) to go back a month later for a '90 day' followup. He told me not to worry about it and say "no". One of the worst things in the world is getting a fraudulent enlistment discharge after making it through 2 months of boot. You're still not getting it. Should I start applying scar reducing cream to make it less noticeable? Privacy Policy. You're assuming her recruiter didn't know With the rise of electronic medical records it'll become extremely hard to lie for meps. Any help would be appreciated. The main difference between them is that with LASIK, a corneal flap is created and replaced, and with LASEK, the top layer of the cornea is loosened, moved, and reattached. . Don't worry, you'll be fine, I had no issues. So now I have to play stupid as if nothing happened at MEPS but clearly they know I said something at MEPS. Personally, go find another doctor that is ex-military that can weed through the BS. Come visit our wiki over in r/Navy. After a few weeks, he began to complain of chest tightness, shortness of breath, and tunnel vision, which are classic signs of Exercise Induced Asthma (EIA), a potentially disqualifying condition. The girl with the suicide attempt would not be allowed to enlist today though. They only care in the beginning because they don't want to waste money on you for "XYZ" reason for processing, no matter how bullshit it is. I think the lesson here is not to tell people to disclose everything, becausethey won't. I was in the same spot. In another month, his symptoms and concerns had mostly resolved, and his cousin was also much better. The young man did see another counselor in the same clinic, who identified several other stressors in his life, including moving away from home to begin college, worries about the cost of college, and a strong fear of public speaking. I didn't mention it at the physical, everything when fine. My only option is to wait another month just to go back to get a 'check up', costing me precious time and money again, without insurance, pushing back my MEPS appointment another month or two. The criminal background check and security clearance investigations can and do find sealed records. 4,250. No personally identifying information (PII). See Article 83 UCMJ. They need to have a psychologist evaluate everyone at meps. For some reason the Pacific breeze didnt reach that area. She joined the army and just before graduating AIT she decided the Army wasn't for her (I told her not to do it, but did she listen? If they don't find anything during their examinations, you should be good to go. Now I've been referred to behavioral health for depression. How about this: Lying to join the military is a fraudulent enlistment and can result in a felony conviction. He told them. Talk openly with your recruiter, MEPS staff, and your family. I've done the 1 month check and will do the 6, 3 months is coming up so I'll have to get that on the books. Currently trying to fill out a packet for OCS, but my recruiter informed me that meps declined my medical history. Should I be honest with my recruiter and try to get a waiver? He did well on the entrance exams and was motivated to succeed. If people can lie about weed I dont see any moral dilemma about you lying about ADHD. He hadn't been "prescribed" an anti-depressant because he only took some medicine on a short, trial basis. I just finished MEPS after having LASIK.I had to provide all medical documentation from the surgery (pre-op, post-op information, etc.) Here is the Press Release. 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